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Welcome to the latest edition of the weekly mailbag.

Send me your questions using the DLF Mailbag Form and I’ll include the best in future articles.  Remember the guidelines to have the best chance at seeing your question get posted:

1.) Dynasty questions only, no start/sit questions

2.) Help me help you by providing sufficient information about your league (e.g. line-up requirements/PPR or non-PPR/etc.), and include your first name and where you’re from.

3.) Your chance of getting your question answered is inversely proportional to the length of the question.

Let’s get to it!

  1. Our 12-team non-PPR league has a salary system that finds high profile vets getting dropped and joining rookies in our annual draft. Which of the following would you rank in the first round alongside the rookies and where would you rank them: Rob Gronkowski, Peyton Manning, Ryan Matthews, Tony Romo, Larry Fitzgerald, Julius Thomas, Reggie Bush, Doug Martin and Vincent Jackson? Is Gronk worthy of the #1 overall pick?Paul in TX

As the receivers and running backs you listed fail to jump off the page, and quarterbacks simply aren’t as valuable in smaller formats, to me this list begins and ends with the tight ends. New England star Rob Gronkowski is arguably the most important asset in dynasty football, and is in the conversation for being the first overall pick in a normal format, let alone one with a shallower player pool. If you can find a way to maneuver into pick 1.01, I’d do whatever it takes to acquire fantasy football’s biggest mismatch.

Jacksonville’s Julius Thomas, while not quite an elite asset like Gronkowski, certainly merits consideration in the 1.07-1.10 range. While there’s no possible way he scores the football at the same rate he did in Denver (24 touchdowns in 27 games with Peyton Manning under center), it’s more than reasonable to assert he’ll see a bump in targets due to the relative lack of skill position firepower on the Jags. I’d easily take him over any of the rookie tight ends both this year and last, and he’d be a fine consolation prize if you’re unable to snag Gronkowski.

  1. I have been offered three 2016 first round draft picks and Ameer Abdullah for Julio Jones.  My receivers are Jones, DeSean Jackson, Torrey Smith, Nelson Agholor and Markus Wheaten.  It seems like a lot of picks, but who knows if they fall to the end of the first round? Should I take them and throw in the towel for the season or try and trade those picks for younger talent this year or just decline trade all together? My gut reaction is to say no to the trade.Lara in MI

[inlinead]Including Lions rookie runner Ameer Abdullah in the equation, you’re essentially being offered four first round picks for Falcons standout Julio Jones. And as much as I like Jones (he’s currently listed as my number-one receiver in dynasty), I don’t believe any player is worth four first round picks. Even if not every one of those players hits, the perceived value of rookie selections is so high that I have no doubt you’ll be able to recoup any losses at this point next year.

More importantly, if losing Jones will cause you to throw in the towel for the year, it would seem your odds of winning it all even with him in your lineup weren’t that great regardless. Sure, it would hurt to lose him as an asset, but there’s no worse place to be than in your league’s “mushy middle.” Rebuilding a year too early trumps rebuilding a year too late every time in my book and this trade would be a fantastic start.

  1. Our 10-team, 25-man roster league is looking to expand to 12 teams, but we aren’t sure how to handle the expansion draft. It seems very difficult to balance being fair to the incoming owners with not punishing those current members who have very deep rosters. In particular I am wondering how many players you think it would be fair to allow each team to protect outright. Is four fair? Would you then create a second group from whom only one or two players can be selected?Kevin in Parts Unknown

Four protected players per team seems very reasonable to me, as that would represent just over three full rounds of a 12-team draft. In all likelihood the vast majority of studs will be safe, leaving the “old guard” relatively intact, but the new owners should still have a legitimate chance to accrue quality players. You could also include a rule stating no one team can have more than five of their players poached, ensuring the “deep” teams aren’t unfairly penalized for having better rosters.

Continuing, if you really want to help out the newbies, I’d ensure they have the first two rookie picks in each round of your rookie draft (whoever picks second in the dispersal draft could have rookie pick 1.01). Doing this would help them accumulate talent organically, without directly affecting the other teams. You could even give each an “extra” pick at the end of the first round to help them get up to speed more quickly. There’s still a good chance the expansion teams won’t be great in year one, but to me this would represent the fairest solution.

  1. I’m the reigning champ of my league and my current starting lineup is Russell Wilson, Matt Forte, Eddie Lacy, Andre Ellington, Dez Bryant, A.J. Green, Jeremy Maclin and Travis Kelce. Do I stay put at my pick at 1.10 and try to draft a rookie running back to replace Forte down the road or should I try to move that for a veteran that can help me produce for what I think is a pretty solid two year win now window?Andrew in DE

Depending on how your league-mates value running backs, there’s a reasonable chance you could stand pat and still snag a guy like TJ Yeldon, Tevin Coleman or Ameer Abdullah who could contribute immediately. As your starters are relatively locked and loaded, that would seem the most preferable option to me, as you never want to swing too far to either side of the age spectrum. However, if you do want to trade, wait until you’re on the clock, and target guys like CJ Spiller, Jonathan Stewart or Alfred Morris – these are players who should definitively provide you with starting-caliber production for the next 1-2 years, ensuring you’re giving yourself the best shot of repeating.

  1. I’ve recently joined an existing dynasty league for my first dip in the dynasty pool. My team is terrible, but I’m fine with rebuilding. I’ve noticed that my league heavily values running back and quarterback over receiver and tight end, even beyond an adjustment for no PPR. My question is: What would be a good strategy to use this to my advantage?Andrew in AL

While there can often be wisdom in the masses, it can also lead to market overcorrection if and when everyone walks the same line. It’s my belief that if everyone is zigging, it’s time to zag. This rings especially true when your league-mates are fixated on quarterbacks and running backs, which to me represent the most fungible and volatile positions respectively. If you have signal callers and ball carriers to burn, I wouldn’t hesitate to flip them for pass-catching talent, especially since you’re rebuilding anyhow. Once you build up your receiver and tight end base, you could be a draft or two, and some shrewd waiver pickups, away from contending.

  1. I’m wondering why Sammy Watkins is consistently ranked and drafted ahead of fellow 2014 rookie class member Brandin Cooks? Cooks has Drew Brees, less competition for targets, plays indoors in a division that struggles against the pass, while Watkins plays in Orchard Park, against tougher teams, and has Matt Cassel at quarterback. Both make their living on slants and screens. Am I missing something? Is this just a case of groupthink?Brian in NY

I don’t believe it’s as cut and dry as you’re making it seem. First and foremost, we’re talking about two 21-year old players – sure, some of the points you made ring true for the present moment in time, but this duo should be around for quite some time, and a lot can and will change. Drew Brees isn’t going to play forever, Matt Cassel likely won’t be under center for more than one season, and divisional hierarchies can change in the blink of an eye – perhaps more importantly, there are no guarantees Cooks and Watkins remain on their respective teams beyond their first contracts.

Continuing, I don’t agree they’re similar players. Cooks is essentially a better version of Tavon Austin, needing touches manufactured for him en route to averaging barely 10.0 YPC. He also had the bonus of Jimmy Graham and Marques Colston siphoning away defensive attention so he could roam free underneath. Sure, the targets could and should spike this season, but do we know if Cooks can consistently beat up on the opponents’ top corners, or beat bracket coverage?

Watkins was forced to do that in year one, and while the results weren’t spectacular, I don’t believe he did anything to let down those who drafted him at pick 1.01. No, he wasn’t transcendent like Odell Beckham and didn’t score the ball like Mike Evans, but that shouldn’t taint our memory of the year that was. I still view him as a future WR1 and have him comfortably above Cooks in my rankings – the potential short-term benefits Cooks could provide simply don’t sway me.

  1. Really confused by the Jimmy Graham narrative of late.  Immediately after the trade, his value supposedly took a hit.  Now it seems to be trending back up again with many experts claiming his demise has been exaggerated. I did a little research of my own.  Seattle hasn’t had a pass catcher break 900 yards receiving since Russell was drafted.  On average, the Seahawks throw for 1,700 fewer yards and 18 fewer TDs than the Saints squads Jimmy was a part of the past 3 years. Am I wrong in thinking that even if Jimmy is Russell’s #1 target, it will be extremely hard for him to reach the yardage/TD totals that had him so high on previous years draft boards?Scott in MI

I don’t think anyone is confusing the Seattle offense with the volume-passing efforts of New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees, but put me in the camp that believes Jimmy Graham’s move to Seattle won’t be the death knell of his value. First and foremost, Seattle’s pass catching corps has been decidedly underwhelming during Russell Wilson’s tenure, with players like Golden Tate, Doug Baldwin and Jermaine Kearse leading the way. If these players could accumulate 98 targets in a season, I firmly believe Graham should be able to easily surpass 100.

Next, Wilson has increased his passing attempts each year in the league, reaching a high of 452 last season. It’s certainly not a huge amount, but it’s also worth considering that, out of necessity, 176 of these targets went to mediocre talents in Kearse, Luke Willson, Ricardo Lockette, Cooper Helfet, Tony Moeaki, Kevin Norwood and Zach Miller, with 26 more going to the departed Percy Harvin. All told that’s 45% of Wilson’s attempts, many of which I’m sure he’d rather throw to a legitimate talent in Graham.

Finally, the Seattle offense is simply more dynamic than that of the Saints. Wilson is a threat with both his arm and legs and Marshawn Lynch is one of the (if not the) best running backs in the league. Defenses will have a lot more to think about when defending the Seahawks. No, he probably won’t get the same red-zone looks due to the presence of Lynch, but I can easily envision him being the top target between the 20’s.

I’m aware this is merely projection, and I’m also aware the Seahawks didn’t do much with Harvin despite trading a first round pick to acquire his services, but Graham is one of the biggest mismatches in the game. Harvin is a dynamic player, but decidedly one who needs touches manufactured for him. I think John Schneider and Pete Carroll plan on making this trade count, and as such I still have Graham as my overall TE2.

  1. I am entering year four of my PPR IDP Dynasty league. I have Antonio Brown, Randall Cobb, Emmanuel Sanders, Justin Hunter and Cody Latimer at receiver, but only Frank Gore, Rashad Jennings, Andre Williams and Chris Ivory at running back. I have pick 1.07 in this years rookie draft, and was wondering if I should draft Tevin Coleman or Ameer Abdullah and keep my receivers, or should I flip Sanders for someone like Jonathan Stewart or Alfred Morris? Should I consider trading Cobb for Jamaal Charles and keep Sanders with Brown? I am unsure if I want to sit tight for now or make a move before the season starts. I’m close to competing. Doug in Canada

As always, when it comes to the possibility of trading draft picks, you’re doing yourself a disservice if you don’t wait until you’re on the clock (unless someone knocks your socks off with a phenomenal offer). If you choose not to take a running back (it might be a little early for Coleman and Abdullah, but not out of the realm of reasonability), you should certainly be able to flip the pick for a Lamar Miller type. If you also wanted to simply take the BPA at pick 1.07, I wouldn’t see anything wrong with trading Emmanuel Sanders for an upgrade at ball carrier.

As for your last trade, I know I stand in the minority but I wouldn’t hesitate to trade Randall Cobb for Chiefs running back Jamaal Charles. I think Charles is the best running back in the league, and we’re all still waiting for him to not achieve 5.0 YPC in a season. Especially if you think he could push you over the edge, it’s a move I’d make.

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JohnnyD
7 years ago

As always, really enjoy the DLF mailbag! One of your last comments caught my eye –

“I wouldn’t hesitate to trade Randall Cobb for Chiefs running back Jamaal Charles.”

Hard to argue with Charles’ production, since Andy’s come to town. Hard to get behind that one, given that Charles will be 29 later this year.

Am currently considering offering Cooks for Charles straight up in one of my leagues where my team is win now and is WR rich, but RB poor. I just keep staring at how young, productive and ascending Cooks is vs the very likely outlook of only 1 or 2 more years of elite productivity for Charles. I can almost see it for truly win now teams…

Would you trade Cooks for Charles straight up & do you think it’s fair both ways?

JohnnyD
Reply to  JohnnyD
7 years ago

Meant to make one more point…

With Maclin’s arrival (he will deservedly demand the ball far more than Bowe did) & Kelce’s ascension and the clear future in KC, how does that not start taking away significant opportunities / productivity for Charles, as soon as this season?

Thanks again!

cactusdave
Reply to  JohnnyD
7 years ago

In the last 25 years just 29 running backs have run for 1,000 yards at the age of 29. Barely more than one per season based on a very significant sample size.

You can’t argue with someone who’s reasoning is that until it happens it isn’t going to happen. But the historical result speaks for itself.

If you’re banking on Jamaal Charles to carry your franchise forward as your RB1, whether it happens or not, you’re already operating on borrowed time.

Not a very sensible roster management strategy for dynasty IMHO.

Eric Hardter
Reply to  cactusdave
7 years ago

Trends exist for a reason, sure, but there are also exceptions to every rule. And for a guy who has never averaged less than 5 YPC in any given season, I’m more than willing to bet on his personal history than that of his predecessors. Charles is a stud.

Eric Hardter
Reply to  JohnnyD
7 years ago

I know I’m opposing conventional wisdom, but I believe Charles is the best RB in the game, and he provides you a weekly advantage at a position where workhorses are drying up. If you could get him straight up for Cooks I’d do that in a heartbeat.

Bigd
Reply to  JohnnyD
7 years ago

you maybe considering your trade of cooks fo Charles a good one……????? noy sure???? but if you offered that to me i’d request that you go have your head examined. if the other guy in the trade takes that deal he too should have his head examined as well. Charles is ranked in the top 3 rbs in ANY league ranking system you can find, cooks cant be more then 25th or so at BEST???? wow.you really think you can o that trade>>>>>hahahahahahahaha

jeff
7 years ago

With the value of a legit top-tier RB being what it is, I wouldn’t consider giving up Charles for Cooks. Even if Charles possibly only having 1-2 decent seasons ahead of him. That’s just my opinion though.

Slick Willy
Reply to  jeff
7 years ago

I agree. There are a 12-15 receivers I’d take over Cooks all day long and another dozen in his tier. I understand that the dynasty community loves value and longevity but c’mon. Scoring points and winning games each season with a dominate running back is fun too.

Eric Hardter
Reply to  Slick Willy
7 years ago

Pretty much this.

Russ
7 years ago

I completely disagree that on average a person can get Lamar Miller with the 1.07. 1.07 is most likely a Yeldon/Perriman/Coleman/Abdullah pick.

Even the DLF rankings have Lamar Miller higher than all those guys. With Miller only 24 there is no reason to devalue him for age either. The potential presence of Ajayi muddled his value, but it didn’t drop it that much.

Reply to  Russ
7 years ago

It is different comparing a draft pick (in this case, the 1.07) to Lamar Miller vs. the player who could be picked there. We have seen that the idea of a choice (the pick) is worth more to most owners than the options available. I agree that the 1.07 is a little low for me to trade Miller but not out of the realm of reason.

Eric Hardter
Reply to  George Kritikos
7 years ago

Basically what George said. I personally like Miller, but according to the May ADP he was the 16th RB selected. I believe it’s unfair, but I think the majority of owners simply don’t trust the guy. If nothing else, it’s not an offer that would get you laughed at.

fffool
7 years ago

I’ve targeted Jamaal Charles in every league I’ve played since 2010, owned him in most, and traded for him in my 2014 startup, so I admit some bias, but if I’m trading Charles, it’s for a player I covet WAY more than Brandin Cooks; the unproven Cooks is, to me, a very fine secondary piece in the negotiation to get the deal done. Barring this, I’ll keep my probable 2015 overall top-ten scorer.

As I see it, Charles doesn’t even START his age-29 fantasy season until 2016, and he has nearly 1000 fewer touches than AP & Forte, who are 21 & 13 months older, respectively. Frankly, I see all three of these RBs as unequivocal exceptions to the dreaded “age-29 RB cliff” anyway, and I will argue that Charles’ situation in KC’s Andy-Reid offense is uniquely superior to all those of cactusdave’s age29+ RBs — if not in NFL history.

Nope — I’ll NOT be selling low on Jamaal Charles anytime soon, TYVM…

cactusdave
Reply to  fffool
7 years ago

Amen brother…I read the same sentiment all the time from the Frank Gore, Matt Forte, Adrian Peterson zealots. Until it happens, it isn’t going to happen.

Okay, so be it. Nothing wrong with an owner squeezing every ounce of remaining value out of his best players until their irrelevant. That’s a way to play this game as well.

Eric Hardter
Reply to  fffool
7 years ago

Only reason I’d sell him is if you’re rebuilding.

fffool
Reply to  Eric Hardter
7 years ago

lol, BIG fan of the “zealot” hyperbole, myself.

Since my RB stable includes Peterson, Charles, & Jonathan Stewart, I can’t say I’m thrilled with the rookie-centric offseason values I see in the few offers I’ve received for these guys, but besides AP the Alien, they are younger, and all three compare in talent to the best of any era–forgetting the exceptional situations they find themselves in.

TTTT, I doubt many of us will geniunely argue that ANY of these three are in ANY danger of hitting the wall before 2017 at the earliest, but that said, this Cooks-for-Charles example shows just how difficult it has become to extract VG value from all but the youngest elite RBs.

Of course, with the current 2015 projections of 900 touches, 5300 total yards, and 38 touchdowns for my “old guys”, I’m certainly not complaining; I also have Megatron & DJax on this roster–you guys wanna talk about how old & lousy THEY are, too…?

cactusdave
Reply to  fffool
7 years ago

Who said anything about “lousy”? All I said was that fantasy owners who continue to press their RB’s into their later 20’s and beyond are fighting an uphill battle against an obvious historical precedent.

You can take a hit card on seventeen or above whilst playing blackjack too if you’re so inclined, but it’s still a poor percentage play even if you don’t bust.

Good luck with that. I’ll continue to plan my RB situation around relocating assets when they reach 27 and can still bring good value for my team’s future in return.

My goal is to compete every year as opposed to guaranteeing I’ll have to rebuild at some point because I’m stubborn when it comes to holding onto assets for too long.

fffool
Reply to  cactusdave
7 years ago

Sorry, cactusdave-my “lousy” players reference is more a joking snipe at the undervaluing of less-younger players, and was certainly not directed at you–or anybody;

I can’t agree more with you about the importance of recognizing & responding to the realities of precedent, for sure, and your point about the significance of bucking the odds is (at least IMO)THE thing most of us don’t consider properly.

Kevin
7 years ago

In response to Kevin’s expansion draft.
I think protecting 3-4 players is ideal. You should also make it so each time a player is drafted from their team they are able to protect an additional player.
I also like the idea of capping the number of players that can be drafted from a single team.

Doug
7 years ago

Thanks for the response Eric! Gained some valuable insight before this Friday’s rookie draft.
If I can flip Cobb for Charles I will. Otherwise, I will comfortably roll with Antonio and Cobb as my top 2 WRs, and build the RB stable with old man Gore.

Jacob Smith
7 years ago

And don’t forget if you are concerned about an aging RB core this is the perfect year for restocking through the rookie draft without having to trade one of them for youth.

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