29 Responses to “Dynasty Debate: Trent Richardson vs. Doug Martin”

  1. Kyle says:

    Agree w/ Jaron here – Muscle Hamster, not close.

  2. boobam13 says:

    nice article and good points on both sides…

    I own both so I am glad I don’t have to pick one over the other but if I had to keep one over the other I am keeping Martin. I think he has the health issue going for him, better talent around him and plays in a weaker defensive division. The other thing is Cleveland seems to keeps bringing in rbs were as Tampa shipped Blount and brought in only Mike James(who is solid and will be targeted in my rookie draft) so Martin is clearly the guy.

  3. Tom says:

    I own them both! :)))))

  4. Chris R. says:

    “If he can finish as the ninth running back in fantasy football with broken ribs and no preseason games, I will be interested to see what he could do in a season of full health.”

    Favorite part of the article for me, which for some reason people understate. Not only was he a top 10 RB with broken ribs for more then half the season, he didn’t have a QB who had thrown for more then 30 TD’s before like Freeman or a legit pro bowl WR in Vincent Jackson to stretch the defense and add in Mike Williams you have a balance offense and teams have to respect both the run and the pass.

    What do you think defensive coordinators are saying when you play Cleveland with a rookie QB and raw, undeveloped WR’s and TE’s? Put 8 in the box, cheat up the 9th man, and play the run every play. Yet too many people seem to ignore that, and that he was playing with broken ribs, and compare him equally to Martin and the offense that he was in.

    Nothing taken away from Martin, what he did without both this guards was amazing, but I’m still taking Richardson because he’s the better talent and performed admirably with all things considered. I may have seen Martins ceiling, and Richardsons floor last year, that’s totally subjective but it’s not too crazy.

    If that’s Richardsons floor, at his age, with his talent, sign me up every day.

    • Draho says:

      This is for fantasy production, not the real life question of “who is a better player?” I think you are inadvertently making the point that Jaron is making. Neither situation is changing in the foreseeable future…Richardson will still be in an offense with no weapons around him & Martin will have Jackson/Williams/Freeman. My biggest concern as a Martin owner would be a Freeman regression resulting in a rookie QB behind center.

      • Preston says:

        Not sure how neither situation is changing in the forseeable future as Cleveland is now running a new offense, with a new head coach, and a new offensive coordinator. Given the track record of the incoming guys, I think it more reasonable than not to expect TR to be used in a better way, and more in the passing game. Also an offense that attacks downfield should help with teams stacking the box. I’d also argue against the no weapons statement, but, I’ll have to just wait and see on that as they haven’t proven a lot.

        Also, it sure seems to me like TB isn’t exactly enamored with Freeman, and if he has a poor year, who knows where they go. So, I think there is likelihood that both situations have changed dramatically by as early as 2014. This is the NFL, things change rapidly.

    • SD Guy says:

      Don’t forget that Martin was giving up 35% carries to Blount and Richardson was getting 95% carries. Now that Blount is gone I would expect that Martin will get more carries and have an even greater year.

      • Preston says:

        Not sure where you are getting that from, but it was nowhere near 35% carries to Blount. He had 41 carries, Martin 319, total of 360. 41/360= just over 11%. I agree that TR ceded less carries to others than Martin, but 35% is outlandish and nowhere near the actual figure. All that said, I actually think chances are he does not surpass his carry totals from last year….319 is a lot.

      • Brian Bulmer says:

        Looking at Snap percentages last season
        When healthy Doug Martin took 78% of the team snaps and Trent Richardson took 73% of the team snaps. These are snap percentage numbers taken from ProfootballFocus.

  5. Sean Curtis says:

    Really, you can’t lose with either player. Both backs run with a combination of speed and power. However, Richardson’s running style makes him more vulnerable to injury. Martine is violent runner in his own right, but Richardson looks like he’s trying to hurt the would be tackler. I love both talents, but I’ll take the Muscle Hamster!

  6. ray says:

    Pitt and Balt are not nearly as strong vs the run as they were in years past. Cincy does have a strong D IMO. This division defensively isn’t what it once was. Just my opinion but the NFC West is the toughest defensive division currently. That being said the Saints and Falcons are far from stout Ds IMO. Carolina on paper looks to be improved. For me it’s just the injury concerns for T. Rich vs Martin. When you factor in age it’s wash for me personally I would be happy with either …. but wanting both : )

    • Joe says:

      Not going to debate the defensive toughness of the NFC west.
      But I think you are forgetting that Pittsburgh was 1st in total yards against, 1st in passing yards against and 2nd in rushing yards against last season, I don’t really see their D declining all that much. They may have lost James Harrison but they drafted his replacement in Jarvis Jones and have competition at OLB with Jason Worilds. And Warren Sapp’s annual tirade of “pittburgh D is old” is getting old.
      The Ravens D might have gotten better through the draft and free agency, and Cincy just might be a beast to be reckoned with.

      I am a Richardson owner but i would take Martin in a start up, simply because it looks like Richardson will have a hard time staying healthy enough to sustain a long productive career.

  7. doubledaggers says:

    What is the point in comparing two stud RB ? So WHAT!? They are both obviously high dynasty values to any team. what I was drawn to last year when I became a paying member was the insights to possible up and coming players,not players that have shown that they have obvious stud potential.And I was also “assured” DFL staff advice in the premium forums but found my questions mostly disregarded or forgotten. I am obviously unimpressed and disappointed in the premium membership and now also questioning the entire site.

    • JoeKool says:

      Seriously? First off, this article is in the non-membership/free area, so your entire point is basically moot. Secondly, I think these guys not only bust their butts to provide articles nearly every single day of the week, but the bulk of them offer content that you just cannot find on any other site. Third..yeah..ok, most people would be happy to have either RB in this case, but the point is simply comparing the two youngest elite rbs…maybe it isnt their most insightful or gripping or helpful story, but it was an interesting read nonetheless and well, you try coming up with 300+ articles a year about football. I am sure are bound to be more helpful than others.
      Now I have no way of knowing about your questions being unanswered but I would like to think you either caught the guys at the wrong time or something similar because I have had a few questions/comments answered within 24 hours or so, and they have always been friendly and helpful to me and in most response I have seen on here, even when it could easily be responded to in a less than friendly manner. I’d like to believe you are in the minority in your beliefs. Perhaps I am wrong. But I check this site’s articles and the forum far too often actually and think its the best FF site out there, bar none.
      Keep up the good work DLF team!

    • Ken Moody says:

      DD, thank you for the feedback. We really do value hearing the opinions of our readers and we use that feedback to constantly improve. I’d like to respond to your points as briefly as possible, and maybe we can discuss further offline.

      What is the point of this article comparing these two top RB’s? It’s a way to offer our perspectives on these two top notch players, and to spark a discussion in our the dynasty community regarding their relative value. Based on the responses here and the poll, I’d say it’s not completely one-sided. Clearly you’d only be choosing one of these guys if you had a high pick in a start up draft. If you did have that high pick, such a critical selection probably warrants a little thought and discussion, so the premise of the article is not completely without value.

      While this article may not be your cup of tea, not every article will be. We try to produce articles which cover a wide variety of topics, and appeal to a diverse set of experience levels. Folks who are new to the dynasty format will probably appreciate different articles than those who’ve been playing dynasty for ten or more years. We’re working to provide something for everyone. This time of year can be particularly challenging as the NFL news slows down and not much is changing in the fantasy landscape.

      As for up and coming players, in just the last month alone I count at least five articles on the premium side which address players who are up and coming to varying degrees, including articles on guys like Jordan Reed, Kenny Still, Dennis Johnson and Rex Burkhead. Not to mention the many other players discussed in the various mock draft, stock market and spotlight articles. And we are just getting started. Our annual Summer Sleeper series of articles is ramping up where we will highlight one deep sleeper from every team. That’s coming soon, as well as other player specific analysis and dynasty debate articles, so hang in there. I hope those will meet that specific need you are looking for.

      As for your experience on the Premium Forums, I’m sorry to hear you were not getting the quantity of feedback you were hoping for. To be honest, we can probably do a little better there, and we’ll talk with the entire team about participating a little more in that area. But just a note, on general questions like “what do you think about my team” there is only so much feedback that can be given. It’s much easier to respond to more specific questions like “should I drop this guy to get that guy” or “What about this trade or that” or something like that. And there too, once an answer is given and if everyone else agrees with it, you may not get a lot of “I agree”, “same here” or “what he said” responses. But that said, your point is taken, and we’ll work on it.

      Honestly, the vast majority of the feedback we get is overwhelmingly positive, so your input is appreciated because it isn’t what we usually hear. We really do care very deeply amount the quality of our service that we provide, and we spend an enormous amount of time trying our best to continually improve and meet the needs of an ever expanding audience. I hope you stick around, and if you do have any further suggestions or would like to discuss this in greater detail, please do not hesitate to hit us up using the Contact Us form, and we will absolutely listen and discuss.

      Sorry for the not-so-brief response, and thanks again. KM

    • Brian Bulmer says:

      I would agree with Ken. We pride ourselves in interacting with our readers as much as possible. We try to respond to comments and continue to write quality content that sometimes we forget to read through the forums. I will personally try to do a much better job of this in the future.

      As a site we have a very diverse group of guys that like to focus on all parts of fantasy football. The diverse amount of content makes it great for all fantasy football types. We try to cater to all fantasy football players and certainly I hope you will find the content to be helpful to your fantasy football success.

  8. Ken Moody says:

    I think it’s fair to say any of us would love to have one or both of these back on out team(s). They are both Excellent. But if I had to choose, (and I did) I’d go with TRich. I believe he will have a longer career, and a much higher ceiling.

  9. Coach says:

    id still take Arian Foster over either of them…

    but if arian was gone and i was selecting between anyone else, id take doug martin. he’s my second running back behind foster.

    i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again, i was unimpressed with richardson. i’ll let someone else take him.

  10. Kyle says:

    I like both players and own Martin in a few leagues. In one league I have to choose between keeping Martin or Shady McCoy and Martin is my guy right now. I like his ability to explode for long TDs on the ground and through the air and think he will see even more of these breakaway jaunts in 2013. To me TRich doesn’t have as much of this flash ability and also has to contend with safeties cheating up constantly. So too me Arian is the hot blonde because you know she’s going to give you a good run every week, TRich is the hot brunette who will make the meal and then top it off with a hot dessert while Martin is the sexy redhead who is elusive but full of fire and brimstone.

  11. BAMNation says:

    I like both players as well, but give me the RB with the complete team – so therefore Martin

    T Rich may have Norv, but what else is really in place? defense is on the rise but offensively Gordon is the only guy worthy to take note for the offense and even he is not the best – yet.

    TRich has not played 100% and done well, but that does not mean he will be a beast if he continues to be injured.

    In Tampa they have decent coaches too, plus other offensive weapons to deploy, move the chains and save the wear-n-tear on Martin.

    In Dynasty I would look to see who can deliver in the next 1-3 years and Martin is set up to do so. even AP had Harvin…

    so my money would be on Martin and even if by the end of the 3rd year TRich is out preforming him, I would bet that Martin is the more consistent top 5 RB

  12. Willy J says:

    I’m going TRich because of how effective he is near the goaline. Both are great, but I like the fact that if it the ball is inside the 5 yard line you KNOW who is getting he ball in Cleveland. Tampa has some big receivers who will take redzone looks from Martin.

  13. Al says:

    I own Martin(5th pick in our rookie draft btw). Agree that both are elite but Martin is in the defence-less NFC south. T-Rich has the coach but schiano is no slouch either. He’s gonna turn TB into a really good team. I think Freeman is only gonna get better and now they have what looks like a defence and wrs to strech the field. Plus look at the guy.. He’s a freak. TRich is great but like mentioned above Pitt Cincy Ravens I’m not sure but what were his stats like vs those teams 6 games a year. If they are good then throw that argument out the window. Plus I feel Martin has the better oline. Can’t wait to see what Martin does this year. Both players are great to own, but I’ll take Martin vs NFC south all day long.

  14. J says:

    Foster is done
    You are now about to witness the power of Trent Richardson

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