If I was a monkey, my name would be George. I’d be followed around by a firm but gentle man in a bright yellow suit and Pharrell’s hat, also yellow. It would be weird for my wife, being married to a primate and all, but I’d be a monkey, so I’d be too busy throwing my feces to care.
Even though I’m not a monkey called George, I’m still rather curious. It is this very curiosity that had me ask the question, “What is the best strategy for handling a rookie draft?” Then I realized I was talking to myself, pantsless, staring at a mirror. So I put pants on and sat down and started compiling data. Lots and lots of data.
As with any research project, I began with a hypothesis. I had theorized the best way to handle a rookie draft (in a vacuum) was to sell picks as close to the draft as possible, avoid the risk, and ride proven veterans. Spoiler alert: I was wrong. I was also right. But now we are getting ahead of ourselves.
The hopeful byproduct from satisfying my curiosity and trying to prove the genius in my strategy was to come up with some sort of concrete math to settle the rookie draft discussion once and for all. In this respect I failed rather spectacularly. That isn’t to say my research was all for naught. Throughout the process of trying to find the magic formula I picked up a few things. Chief amongst them was the strong affirmation that roster makeup matters more than just about anything. What might be right for one team couldn’t be more wrong for another.
The above revelation led me to my first, strongest and most important conclusion:
If you are operating a dynasty team at any stage from startup to year 20 under one singular ridged strategy, you are failing miserably in your role as a dynasty owner.
[inlinead]There are many obvious things you don’t want to do under any circumstance, but once we trim away the far left and the far right, the 80% in the middle is open to myriad different tactics depending very strongly on your roster, the makeup of the league, the types of owners you are competing against and even your own personal abilities. If anybody tries to tell you otherwise, if they try and convince you there is one singular tact that trumps all others, remove one of your socks and gently place it between their tongue and soft palette.
While much of the knowledge I mined can be applied differently based on your team needs, there are a few inescapable truths. I’ll be covering all of this much more in depth as this series of articles progresses, but I’d like to whet your appetite a bit with some quick hits.
- From February to April and May to July, the value of first round rookie picks is relatively flat. The only significant change in value comes between April (the NFL draft) and May (the month most dynasty rookie drafts occur).
- Wide receiver is far and away the safest position to draft.
- In regards to young players, specifically sophomores, market value vastly outpaces scoring output.
- We draft exceptionally well. On the whole, we almost universally draft the best fantasy players the highest and the worst fantasy players the lowest.
Some notes about the data set itself:
- 2009-2012 rookie ADP was taken from MyFantasyLeague (MFL). Their data pulls from all rookie-only drafts, including mocks. The time frame for the drafts within each season isn’t defined, so I can’t say for sure what period it covers.
- 2013-2014 rookie ADP was taken from our mock drafts here on DLF. Because the environment the mocks are held in are more controlled and share the same format from draft to draft, I feel as though it is a more accurate data set. If we had tracked ADP prior to 2013, I’d be using that in lieu of MFL.
- All other ADP comes from our mocks. Unfortunately we don’t have any prior to January of 2013 which is the main limiting factor in my study. It’s a bummer, but the artisan is only as good as his tools, right? (I’m an artisan much like people who make sammich’s at Subway are artists.)
- Unless otherwise stated, assume all rookie ADP data quoted throughout the series to encompass 2009-2014.
- We are using standard PPR scoring throughout. Quarterbacks receive four points per touchdown and negative two for interceptions. Fumbles are also negative two points.
One last thing before I end the longest intro ever (seriously, I’ve seen some sites with whole articles half as wordy). In case it hasn’t been made clear already, we will be talking ADP very often in this series. While it isn’t a perfect representation of market value, especially in terms of trade value, it is as good of a statistical valuation as exists. If we stick with it across the entire study, it will at least be comparing apples to apples, even if the fruit has a small bruise here and there.
Now that the stage is set, let’s move on to the opening act.
Draft picks bust. A lot.
Of the 48 players drafted in rookie drafts in 2009, only 17 were still being drafted four years later. The 2010 and 2011 classes didn’t fare any better as they had 17 and 19 players being selected four years out respectively.
With two-thirds of rookies unownable within four years, it sort of makes you want to burn your draft picks. Don’t be hasty though, as that figure tells only a small part of a much bigger story.
Here’s a sample of those drafted from 2009-2011 who still have a place on our rosters: Dez Bryant, Rob Gronkowski, Julio Jones, A.J. Green, Demaryius Thomas, Randall Cobb, Jimmy Graham, LeSean McCoy and DeMarco Murray.
The hit percentage may be disconcertingly low, but the upside is higher than a giraffe’s schnoz.
The problem this leaves us is in quantifying if the risk is worth the reward. As I said in the intro, the answer has proven rather elusive. If you look through 2013 ADP data you might conclude the 1.05 could have been dealt for T.Y. Hilton when it was instead used on Montee Ball. But I could also look at 2014 ADP and tell you that you Ball’s trade value was approximately the 1.07 and the 2.01, which turned into Odell Beckham and Kelvin Benjamin.
Now you see my dilemma.
So how do we settle once and for all if my hypothesis was correct? Unfortunately, we don’t. Instead we take a look at bust and hit rates, the level of success to expect when we do hit, the value proposition and equity of moving up and down, and so much more. And that’s just what we will start doing tomorrow in part two.
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My name is George and you have made me even more curious.
But do you throw your own feces? Never mind, I think I already know the answer.
Fantastic intro article! I look forward to the rest!
Thanks, Morry!
Please tell me I’m not crazy, or if I am. I’ve offered 3 1st round picks in 2016 for the #2 pick this year. I know Gurley is going off the board first so I’m looking at Gordon. It’s a 16 team TD league. I’m a RB short of being a top notch team I believe. Is Gordon worth this price?
I don’t think so. As much as anything, Gordon is slipping to the 1.04 or 1.05 in most drafts. With that being his value, three firsts is an overpay. If I were you, I’d look to add a cheaper veteran. As you will see in part three (out Thursday I think), the hit rate on RB’s is abysmal anyway.
Have you made the same offer for an established rb?
I don’t think so. As much as anything, Gordon is slipping to the 1.04 or 1.05 in most drafts. With that being his value, three firsts is an overpay. If I were you, I’d look to add a cheaper veteran. As you will see in part three (out Thursday I think), the hit rate on RB’s is abysmal anyway.
Ignore this. I apparently don’t know how to use our comment system.
Such a great idea and series. Excited to read the next installment.
This is great stuff. You might even call it premium stuff!
The draft bust percentage is sobering, but I think deep down we all knew that.
What I wonder…and I know mining this data might drive someone insane, so it’s just musing…is what percentage of players that are rostered on a fantasy team outside of a draft (waiver wire pickups, or vet players acquired in exchange for rookie picks) end up “busting,” or having value less than the pick.
It’s (relatively) easy to determine the risk involved with a draft pick – you have a defined entry point, and the points calculation flows on from that. But it’s far more difficult to determine the risk with other methods of adding to your roster. Obviously it comes down to the skill of the player, as well as luck. If you traded the 1.01 last season for Bell, you’re laughing. If you traded it for Montee Ball, you’d be kicking yourself. If your top waiver wire pickup was Forsett, you’re happier than if you added Ben Tate.
Anyways, just a ramble. Thanks Jeff!
If you can answer that question, let me know and we could write a book together. 🙂
First you have to establish what is meant by “value”.
Some owners think that the first overall pick in the draft is supposed to result in a franchise player. Some owners think that if a rookie doesn’t break out immediately with relevant fantasy numbers in his rookie season, that he’s a bust.
Making friends with reality would temper a lot of the dissatisfied noise associated with rookie results, which aren’t nearly as bad in terms of future performance as some make it out to be.
Using Jeff’s numbers, if you assume a league of 12 teams, the 48 rookies is 4 rounds of a draft. 17 players still fantasy relevant 4 years later equals a round and a half of players.
Since I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a rookie draft where there was anything close to 4 rounds of offensive talent with a legitimate chance of being fantasy relevant, that 17 doesn’t sound too bad to me.
But that’s what I’m saying. It depends on your expectation and to me most owners expectations are completely out of whack.
Bingo! That’s a major theme that runs throughout, especially in latter parts as I sum things up.
When you compare expected results with actual results, yeah, they are really bad.
I’m not anti-rookie by any means and I’m pretty familiar with reality, but rookies miss a lot. Especially once you get out of the first round.
Vets miss a lot too, and this is something I discuss, but it isn’t the central theme to this particular discussion.
Great discussion guys – thanks!
I take cactus’ comment about unrealistic expectations to heart. If you draft, say, Gurley, and he turns out to be a RB2 level back, you might think he’s a failure, but a RB2 still has real value.
I think the way this year’s WR cohort hit has warped those expectations. Thing is, I can’t remember a season where so many rookies had such a significant impact. I was able to pick up Latimer and Moncrief for nothing (literally, in Donte’s case) as both their owners dropped them as they weren’t producing. Now, certainly both of them could end up being busts, but I’m hoping I get a couple of steals due to someone else’s impatience. If either turns into even a regular WR3 play, that’s a great return on investment.
I agree on all fronts and I do get more into this sort of discussion as the series goes on.
This certainly is intriguing and I will be one of the daily checkins. Having played fantasy football for over 20 years now, and 10 seasons of dynasty as well, it will be interesting to see what angle(s) you approach this from. You would think that after getting burned soooo many times I would learn, but hey it’s only money! Maybe by the time you get it all summed up and a nice neat bow on it we could have a 7 deadly sins of sorts when it comes to drafting in dynasty. Just off the top of my head some things like this.
1- Drafting a needed position over best available. If you needed a RB last year then reaching during an early season rookie draft killed you. If it ain’t there it ain’t there. Grab the best you can and trade later.
2- From above. Be willing to trade. We all know the guy who thinks you’re out to screw him or, my personal favorite, the guy (name not revealed) that wants to give you 3 to 5 filler players for your quality offer. After heaping ridicule upon the above players find the folks willing to do a deal and you will find that you can go to that well time and time again.
3- Details detail details. I personally try not to get lost in a sea of stats. While they absolutely have their place too much can muddy the waters and in exhaustion you will just make the pick to find out later you missed a detail while wasting time on stats and projections. A 2015 example is RB Tevin Coleman who happens to be ranked #4 amoung rookie running backs here at DLF. I have read he would get gassed after long runs and might not be suited for action at high altitude. That screams some sort of anemia (No I do not claim any expertise in medicine) so I either dig deeper or take him off draft boards.
4- Looking back to #1 and the if player isn’t there mantra. You cannot swing a trade then pledge to be on the waiver wire to the fullest extent. I have had very good results over the years hitting the wire especially when another player loses patience and cuts a player too soon. Once you have the competitive core fielded why not stock the bench for someone who might hit next year.
5- See #4 Patience is a virtue and there is a reason for that saying. Wide reciever may have a better hit rate but 3 years is a reasonable waiting period while one or two does it at running back. Damaryius Thomas is a prime example and I got him off the wire. He had health issues early but that did not negate his tangibles so I grabbed him when another owner lost the ability to wait it out.
6- Load up on single position. So a particular class happens to be strong in one area? Add to this you have issues minor and major all up and down your roster. Repeat after me, load up. Last year was a good year for wideouts and my wife’s team (a story for another time) went WR in rounds 1-2-4 and waiver wire. The results were Jordan Matthews, Kelvin Benjamin and Martavius Bryant. So there is hope of better things.
7- Sell the farm take risk and enjoy the game. If it works you will be glad you did. Look back and ask what you would have given for Andrew Luck at 1.01? I know he cost me dearly and I grin from ear to ear everytime I get to start him.
Sorry to ramble on….I’m bored and hope I added to the conversation. Just an aging dude that enjoys chatting fantasy football.
Luck cost me 2012 1.08/2013 1.11/2012 2.08 and he is worth every penny. Stability for 10+ years, 1 championship, 2 division titles since I drafted him. He will always make your team a contender.
It is a conundrum. I have failed on several RB’s. But last yr (12 team) with 1.04 I picked up Cooks and parlayed that early on when he had success to Evans and Hill. Tahdah. 2.04 Maclin 3.04 Ebron (still to see if good) and 4.04 Carr. So finally some success.
Prior Yr.2013 1.09 Christian Michael 1.10 Wheaton – bust so far 2.01 Keenan Allen.
Yr 2012 1.05 David Wilson (injured and retired) 2.03 Josh Gordon (well we all know)
Yr 2011 Traded Bradford for 1.01 AJ Green 1.11 Ryan Williams (injured, never did anything relevant). 2.11 Delone Carter (who?) I did look and not much selected after this that was any good except a lil WR in Rd 3 Antonio Brown.
So some success and some major busts…what a conundrum! Have 1.05 and 1.10 this year and desparately need RB’s so will probably have to reach and let some WR’s slide. Want Gordon, but I think he is gone at 3 based on looking at needs of teams. Was trying to trade AJ Green for 1.01 and his next yr #1, but he said no. Is a chance White or Cooper slide to me at 5 but I really dont need, but may have to take talent and try and trade like I did this last year. Anyways, good article and you could see that I highly relate.
I guess your desired trade partner doesn’t read DLF. A sure and young top wideout for two in the bush. I would seriously consider that or balk at first and then offer this years first, and a little less at some point in the future. 1.05 how cruel, one pick outside of the first tier. Of course thats just my opinion, but in any order depening on the league and team needs here my current top tier.
Amari Cooper
Kevin White
Todd Gurley
Melvin Gordon
After tonite and the rest of the weekend we get to re-shuffle and speculate all anew.
Good luck to you!
Gaaa no “edit” button
We allow wavier wire players who were available at the end of the year to be drafted in our rookie draft. Most years this is a non-factor but where would you put Sam Bradford’s value amongst rookies?