26 Responses to “The Dynasty Doctor”

  1. Craig Gerein says:

    Demaryius Thomas came back from his achilles. Leshoure might get some of his burst back. We’ll see in 2013

    • Ken Dogson says:

      The achilles is more of an 18-24 month injury in terms of recovering explosiveness. The younger the athlete the more likely that the recovery will be successful.

      As for this article, I would like to see the issue of PEDs and advancements there brought into the discussion. It is not improved surgical technique alone that is bringing back players so fast and at or even above their previous performance levels. The money involved for players, agents, corporations (promotions), teams, and the league is too great for there to be any real incentive to catch cheating or take serious measures to prevent cheating. The appearance of propriety has more value than propriety itself. In other words, I’ll believe AP came back so fast and better than ever when he pees into a cup at halftime and it is tested right there in front of a live national audience. Until then…

      I do, however, have a challenge for the operators of the site: Go an entire week without mentioning Ryan Broyles. Just once.

      • Jacob Feldman says:

        Wow, talk about a cynical viewpoint..

        As for Broyles, the articles are written independently by writers that are spread out over the country and in one case across the world. Based on your opinion about PEDs, I’m guessing that you think there is some kind of directive or conspiracy to bring up Ryan Broyles as much as possible. I hate to disappoint, but that isn’t the case. In most cases, one writer doesn’t know what the others are doing until it is published, just like you.

        • Scott Peak says:

          Agreed, Jacob. I choose to believe that players like Broyles and AP are just very dedicated to return to play, and their strong efforts in doing so, combined with surgical/rehab advances, are the reason for their excellent progress. Contrast that with Kenny Britt, who is still struggling to return to play. Britt doesn’t strike me as the kind of person who rehabs like a maniac.

        • Ken Dogson says:

          Never mentioned any conspiracy. Nor did I link Broyles to PEDs. That is why the two (PEDs and Broyles) were separated by a paragraph break.

          This site’s obsession with Broyles though is just herd think. He’s had two ACLs now and hasn’t done anything in the NFL. He’s on a team with serious problems in terms of culture. Readers of the site are aware of him. He doesn’t need to be mentioned across so many different articles. As for the independent writers, well, that goes toward the senior editor or editors and ensuring original content.

          • Eric Dickens says:

            Ken,

            We appreciate the comments, even if they’re critical. I understand what you assume to be “herd think”, but would you rather we limit the number of mentions a player can get on the site? From our perspective, we strive to allow all of our writers to have their own voice and be able to offer their own opinions, even if/when they differ from ours.

            Out of all the rankers on the site, I believe I’m the lowest on Broyles, but I have no problem with independent writers offering their take on him. Limiting writers to only writing about what the editor wanted would be more damaging to our credibility and our readers than what you perceive to be obsession, no?

      • Scott Peak says:

        It’s an interesting point to raise, Ken. But, finding scientific evidence to support PEDs improving recovery from ACL or other injuries may be challenging. I suppose it’s possible, though. One thing is for sure, surgical and rehab techniques have improved considerably, and that has helped athletes recover faster. How much PEDs play into it, though, is uncertain. Good point, though. Thanks!

        • Eric MacKenzie says:

          I’m pretty sure HGH would help a guy recover quicker just based on the nature of what it is.

          That said, if Bo Jackson or Terrell Davis could’ve used steroids/HGH for a few months and returned to football at full speed, would you not want them to do so assuming they wanted to do so? I respect not wanting guys to use this stuff solely to bulk up, but I haven’t a clue what justification people use in their heads to advocate forcing a guy to stay injured longer in the name of competitive balance.

          • Scott Peak says:

            PEDs like anabolic steroids or HGH can lead to potential complications that are unhealthy and detrimental long-term for players who use them. I’m sure they might improve recovery, but an experienced surgeon combined with aggressive rehab is the better path, IMO.

    • Scott Peak says:

      Thomas did come back well. A lot depends on whether it was a partial or complete tear. For example, Terrell Suggs had a partial Achilles tear, and that is associated with a faster and more complete recovery. That said, I’m sure there will be players who return from an Achilles tear and play well. If the surgery goes well, it is possible. Based on present data, though, there is a high-likelihood that players with such injuries will experience a significant drop in production. That information can be considered by owners when evaluating talent and whether to acquire or trade players. Look at Mikel Leshoure. His longest run in 2012 was 16 yards, and the Lions recently commented on his lack of explosiveness. That’s the problem with Achilles tears.

  2. Fascinating. Nice read, Doc.

  3. Jacob Feldman says:

    In regards to the Achilles, the study involved injuries that happened 10-15 years ago. I’m guessing that a study of ACL injuries from 10-15 years ago might paint a grim picture of those as well. My guess is that the procedure for Achilles tears has evolved and probably improved in that time. While it is more serious than current ACLs, I think it is better than the numbers from the study.

    Great job Scott!

    • Scott Peak says:

      Great point, Jacob. I’m sure there will be more recent data sets published as time moves on. Part of the problem in evaluating Achilles tears is the limited number that occur per year. That hinders the ability for studies to be completed, and thus scientific evidence will be limited. That a major tertiary care center, Thomas Jefferson University, saw 406 cases in 10 years speaks to the rarity of it. It will take a multi-institutional study to get the best quality data for Achilles tendon tears for sure. Thanks!

      • Jacob Feldman says:

        Yeah, getting enough of them to have a valid sample size is an issue. Which is why the study has data that is that old. My personal take is that the Achilles injury now is what the ACL was 5-10 years ago. In another 10 years, the Achilles might be at the same level as the ACL now, which is to say that most players come back from it and get to their pre-injury form within 2 years.

  4. Matthew Bowser says:

    In the case of Ricky Rubio and Derrick Rose, would them playing on a hard court cause recovery to take longer? If so would the use of “astro-turf” cause players to take longer to come back? I know that “play-turf” is quite grass-like, but it still isn’t as soft as the real thing.

    • Jacob Feldman says:

      I don’t really know how much you can look across different sports and compare results. The style of the games are very different right down to a fundamental nature of non-contact vs contact. Combine that with very different body types and I’m not sure they are comparable.

    • Scott Peak says:

      I don’t think the hard surface will impact recovery. Astro turf might, in fact, increase risk of an ACL injury, if a foot gets stuck on the turf while the player rotates and plants hard on his/her leg. Interesting side note, female athletes are more likely than male athletes to have an ACL injury, as much as 9:1 (reasons are increased joint laxity, smaller ACLs, valgus landing styes, weaker hamstrings relative to quadriceps ratios).

  5. Tim Stafford says:

    Very good stuff. Can’t wait to chat with you about it on the podcast this Wednesday, doc.

    • Tim Stafford says:

      I have to ask. In all seriousness, who gave my post a thumbs down for saying “nice work, looking forward to chatting with you”? And why??

      • Scott Peak says:

        Hey, Tim.

        Thanks for the nice words. Also, I gave you a ‘thumbs up’ to negate that crazy negative vote.

        I’m looking forward to joining you and Jarrett next week. :)

  6. Thomas Ksepka says:

    I am currently recovering from an ACL surgery and appreciate indepth article. Thank you!

  7. Jeff Huntley says:

    DLF, Wow, you guys just keep taking things to the next level. Talk about in depth analysis and a great educational tool. I look forward to all the future articles like this. The long term player analysis could serve fantasy owners very well. Thanks Dr. Peak for your fantastic and interesting article.

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