18 Responses to “Dynasty Debate: Justin Blackmon vs. Michael Floyd”

  1. Mark Rockwell says:

    Nice article! Opened it preparing to defend Floyd only to be pleasantly surprised.

  2. Tim Stafford says:

    Your final point is the right one – it’s about value. Floyd can be had much later or more cheaply in a trade. Have him as my WR5 on my SC team – happy.

  3. Eric Hardter says:

    Great article Jaron. These are two guys who, with upgraded QB play, could really explode over the next couple of years. Floyd especially represents a unique buy-low opportunity right now.

  4. Chuck Gordon says:

    Floyd’s value may never be this low then it is right now. He may be the guy you regret that you didn’t pull the trigger on two years from now.

  5. Ken Dogson says:

    I was offered Floyd or Blackmon + a 2014 First for Almo. I turned it down, but I do think both WRs have significant value moving forward, especially in PPR formats. I’d prefer Floyd given his size and current cost. I was also offered Decker + a 2014 2nd for Almo- so there’s some comparison in terms of how people are valuing WRs. Turned that down as well. There are still a lot of Morris unbelievers out there, but I digress.

    As a side note, Arizona went 7 weeks without a passing TD. On a team with Fitz, Andre Roberts, Housler, and Floyd. That’s some unbelievably shitty QB and OL play.

    My only criticism of this piece, which was overall very good, is that I failed to see any discussion of Blackmon’s troubled past with the booze. You did mention Floyd’s perceived lack of work ethic.

    I wonder how this is going to impact their ADPs. I suspect that FFers will discount players like this, along with concussion cases like Shorts. That could lead to major rewards for those that jump on them.

  6. Chad Scott says:

    Loved the article, Jaron! You nailed it in your conclusion- Floyd holds more VALUE because of ADP.
    Enjoyed this one…thank!

  7. Cyrus says:

    I feel like I paid too much for Floyd then, based on what people are saying, but I am heartened by the posts about Floyd possibly exploding.

    (I gave Chris Johnson for Floyd and the 2.05)

  8. Ray Voeller says:

    Key point to article VALUE. Never was it mentioned that Floyd was the superior on field NFL WR to Blackmon only that Floyd being 2″ taller somehow makes him better in redzone. Again Floyd is better VALUE for dynasty fantasy football in trades and draft NOT better NFL WR. Great article! Just disagree that 2 years from now Floyd will be better than Blackmon. Blackmon has proven in college and 1st year in NFL he is and probably always will be superior to Floyd.

  9. Jon says:

    I enjoyed the article as well. Well done. I agreed with nearly all of it. I don’t however agree that because one (floyd) is almost 2 inches taller that he is or will be a better red zone target. I think this is a common misconception.

    Players with good hands, good leaping ability, good route running, body control, concentration, etc, can and are good red zone targets. 6’3 or 6’1 really makes no diffence those two inches can be easily compensated for by a number of other variables that contribute to what it’d take to make a successful NFL wr.

    Long term – I see both of these young wr as potential top 10-15 in their position. I guess based on ADP, Floyd is a bit better of a deal right now. I like their upside and youth and the fact that they started to trend up toward the later part of their rookie season. With improvments to their Qb situations and or O-line – we should see steady improvement out of each of them. Both are blue chip talent type players.

  10. Scott Daniel says:

    I realize there’s a value argument being made here as you can get Floyd for less. However, there’s a reason for that. Blackmon is the #1 WR on his team and looks to be emerging as a very good WR after a slow start. His college performance was superior and so is his professional performance.

    You win by having great players, Blackmon might be one of those while Floyd will fight for WR2 time with Andre Roberts and will not be displacing Fitzgerald as the #1 WR on Arizona. It’s unlikely that Floyd will accumulate the targets necessary to be an elite WR until Fitzgerald begins to fade, while Blackmon is already getting them. Blackmon needs to do more with his targets, but I’d bet on the guy already getting them.

  11. CokeAndBacardi says:

    The two inch height difference shouldn’t be ignored, but I prefer Blackmon by a wide margin in the red zone. He looked like the more natural end zone beast of the two in college and grabs fade routes over the shoulder as well as anyone.

    Red Zone targets in 2012:
    Blackmon – 6-12, 35 yards, 3 TD
    Floyd – 1-5, 8 yards, TD

    Blackmon caught 2 of 8 passes thrown into the end zone and Floyd caught 1 of 5.

    Obviously small sample sizes, but just thought I would put the numbers out there. You can’t really draw much from them. Brandon Marshall caught just 3 of 25 end zone targets (no drops in 2011) but turned that around with 8 of 22 in 2012 with a competent quarterback. It makes a huuuuuge difference in that part of the field.

    These two had some the worst QB situations in all of football this year. Curious to see how things shape up in the next 2+ years in that regard. I’ve never been a huge Floyd guy (and I’m an ND fan) but hope I am wrong.

  12. Chris R. says:

    I just don’t see what there is to really like about Floyd.

    IF they upgrade the offensive line.
    IF they upgrade the QB position.
    Then you still have Fitz as the lead dog and #1 WR for awhile to come. He’s not going to slow down any time soon. So at best you have the #2 option on a team that needs massive upgrades before the #2 WR has much value.

    I know situations changed frequently it happens all the time. But at least with Jacksonville Blackmon is the #1 WR and target, and the slightest upgrade at QB made him blow up as a rookie, it’s not like Henne is Tom Brady, he just needed an average arm back there.

    Floyd seems like a guy destined to be on your bench for too long for me to be interested. I don’t see a realistic time table of when you could start him as a WR3, it took Kurt Warner to be in AZ slinging the ball all over the place to support Fitz and Boldin. That’s betting on a lot of things to go absolutely right there, I’d rather gamble on a guy with a much easier path to starting like Chris Givens.

  13. @nightowlsinc says:

    Clearly neither is a 5th round pick. But, when doing a comparison, barring a significant disparity in the offensive production of the teams, my bottom line is, who is, or has the potential to be, a #1 WR on their team? As I see it, Blackmon will be afforded the opportunity to prove himself to be a #1 in Jacksonville both because of ability and draft position, whereas Floyd is destined, over the near and medium term, to be a #2. Further, when I look at the Cardinals I see a base 3 WR offense similar to the Giants with Andre Roberts in the slot, further eroding target opportunities. Blackmon doesn’t risk a similar target erosion.

    All things being close to equal, starting from scratch, I’d take Blackmon.

  14. stoney curtis says:

    Bruce Arians is the difference. He loves to throw the football. This just in —— Michael Floyd is a KeepA

  15. Russ Knopf says:

    Yesterday i traded Sproles & Greg Olsen for Torrey Smith and Mike Floyd. So, now I don’t have to worry about this as I now have BOTH Blackmon & Floyd!

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