32 Responses to “Quality Starts – Quarterbacks”

  1. Belfast express says:

    Fantastic job on this. May be the best article this offseason! Also the fact that i just took Cam in my recent start up draft i love the way your data turned out!

  2. Sensei John Kreese says:

    Just traded Cam Newton and 1.9 for Julio Jones, Matt Ryan (1 year contract) and 2.4.

    I will take my chances on Ryan this year. Atlanta will pass the ball more often, and Ryan’s passing stats have improved every year.

    • dwruud says:

      I don’t know any details about your league, but I love the value you got out of Cam! Very nice!

    • Ryan McDowell says:

      Ryan has improved each year according to my study, and while Cam was great in year 1, getting Jones is huge! You did very well here IMO.

  3. Matt Kornberg says:

    Great article, and a cool idea. Interested to see how the other positions pan out

  4. Daniel Malone says:

    The baseball quality start is one of the most frustrating statistics out there. I’ve always wanted to see it expand based upon how many innings over six that a pitcher goes. Six innings and three earned runs (4.50 ERA) is considered “quality”, but a complete game with four earned runs (4.00 ERA) is not?

    That said, most mainstream pitching metrics are not fully indicative of pitching prowess. In fact, I’m mad at myself for including ERA as evidence in the above paragraph.

    • Ryan McDowell says:

      Hey Daniel,
      While I am a big Yankee fan, I have not followed baseball as closely as I once did.
      I do really like the term quality start though as it relates to fantasy football in identifying how often we can really count on these players.

      • Daniel Malone says:

        No worries, it’s always good to see a fellow Yankee fan, especially one with the good sense to use Mattingly for a Twitter avatar.

  5. SJ says:

    Thank you,
    Couldnt agree with you more on Bradford

    • Ryan McDowell says:

      Bradford was a guy I have liked all along and continued to think he would turn the corner. While this does not seal his fate, it does give me cause for concern.

      I only had him in one league last year and traded him early this offseason in a deal for Cruz. Even happier about that now.

  6. Justin Kilmer says:

    Awesome article! Please do a follow up with RB, WR and TE. I would love to see the breakdown and your perspective when targeting players. I have a redraft with a bunch of buddies every year, and I got the #2 pick this year. I might just have to go for Aaron Rodgers.

    • Ryan McDowell says:

      Thanks Justin. Looking forward to the others. Not sure which one to tackle next.

      By the way, despite Rodgers consistency, I think you have to go RB early this year in redraft leagues.

      • sixshooter says:

        Yes, I agree. No matter what, I am convinced that the first three picks almost all have to be RB. After that, it depends on scoring system but another RB or two could go with the next two picks and then I would definitely look at Calvin Johnson especially in PPR leagues.

        The thing about QB is that you can still get a top 10 QB in the fifth or maybe even sixth round in a 12 team re-draft league when you will have a tough time finding a top 10 RB by the end of round two or a top 10 WR by the end of round three.

        If you do this “quality start” research on the other positions, I think you will find that the largest dropoff from 1 to 12 will likely be at the TE position. I took a look at our Dynasty league last year and the stats of the 1 and 12 player at each position based on overall stats since I did not have the time to look at quality starts and how they are identified.

        What I found based on overall stats was that the #1 TE was about 52% more productive that the #12 whereas the QB, RB and WR positions were only separated by 40 to 43 percent difference between #1 and #12 production. QB was 43, RB was 40 and WR was 39.

        This was based on a PPR league with the same scoring stats at QB as this article used with the addition of bonus pts added for 300 yds passing or 100 yds rushing/receiving. Not much difference in drop off at all between the QB, RB and WR positions.

  7. Toby Miller says:

    This is by the far the best story I’ve ever seen on this site. I’m so enthusiatsic about this approach, I’d even like to see how it pans out with kickers.

  8. Eric MacKenzie says:

    I just noticed that Garrard is on waivers and grabbed him. 16 Team league, so no starting QBs are ever available, much less decent.

    • Ryan McDowell says:

      Garrard was one of the biggest surprises for me. In a deep league like yours, he is worth a shot right now. Many point out that he does not have weapons in Miami, but he never really had much in Jax either and did well. We’ll see if he can win that job. I still think Moore wins it for the beginning of the season.

  9. Tim Stafford says:

    Ryan,

    Great article. Couple things:

    A) Was this based on 4 pts/TD or 6? And how much do you think that would change the results?

    B) Injury really impacts this – Brady has more quality starts than Vick or Stafford has starts! Of course Vick missed all of 2009 basically.

    C) Are you concerned at all about the sample size on Newton? Your results would suggest that he is far above Stafford, Brees and Brady when you take in to account quality starts, elite starts and age.

    Very cool. Can’t wait to see what you come up with on TE. That will be really interesting.

    • Ryan McDowell says:

      Hey Tim,
      I used 4 points per TD scoring, along w/ 1 pt per 20 passing yards. If I were to use 6, I expect that Brady and Brees would close the gap on Vick and Cam. I was discussing earlier on Twitter that it is interesting that the QBs known for their rushing ability did well in this study.

      Injuries, or games missed in general, is one thing this study unintentionally ignores. We have to take this information and use what we already know to make adjustments. Yes, Vick will perform at high levels when he plays, but he is likely to miss a game or two as well. Pair him with a reliable guy in the 2nd tier for best results.

      The sample size for all of the rookies was an issue, but I also did not want to leave them out or set a sample size they could not qualify for (ie, more than 16 games). I expect Cam to come down this list slightly, but in a dynasty, I’d still prefer him over Brees, Brady and possibly Stafford.

  10. Chickensoup says:

    Excellent article. Using this kind of data is exactly how i build my pitching staffs for baseball leagues. I chase a quality starts/highish K rate whenever possible because of consistency. It’s what lead me to Dickey this year in a lot of leagues.

    I think this kind of data suggests taking players others scoff at as starters at QB. Roethlesberger/Schaub in particular if you can get them later, present value to me because they are more likely to give a known amount of points in a week rather than riding the roller coaster ride of “upside”

    When you do the other positions I think a lot is going to be revealed to a lot of people on certain players like Jordy Nelson or imfamously VJax who win you weeks but give you donuts others (Finley is bad for that too). these kinds of players are fine, but too many can actually ruin your team IMO.

    • Ryan McDowell says:

      Thanks! FInley and VJax are the two players that led me to think of this topic as a series that might be helpful to people. Both of those guys are off my draft lists.

      Also, Ben ranks well overall, but just as Eli/Ryan are trending up, he is trending downward. Maybe I do a follow up with the year by year breakdown I discovered.

      Thanks for reading!

  11. William Latin says:

    Best article of the year so far! I agree on RB first 3 picks for sure. I would consider ARog at 4. I have been a wait for QB guy for a long time. What this shows me is I can gain value in nabbing some of these guys in the right spot. Also, if I do decide to wait I may go back to back and snag Roeth/Cutler in 6/7 range. Looking forward to the other skill positions. Great work Ryan!

  12. Niels Petersen says:

    Great article Ryan! This was exactly the kind of article I was looking for. Obviously it doesnt incorporates every factor for fantasy football success at the QB position, but it is a fantastic starting point for making ones own rankings, as it cuts to the bone of what we det from out QBs!

    Great, great job! i hope to der more articles like these for other positions as well.

    On a side note, I really believe Matt Ryan is going to have a very good year. I am a Falcons fan, but I try to look at things objectively, and I really believe that the new offensive system that will put WRs in position to ret more YAC and get the ball to the RBs in the passing game will help Ryan elevate his game a notch. He wont be another Brees, obviously, but I think we will see a bigger jump in his stats this year.

    • Niels Petersen says:

      Some spelling errors there as I am typing on a phone. I meant that it cuts to the bone of what we want from our QBs.

      Anyway, I’m sure you got my overall point that it was a great article :)

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